Adverse reactions to Sweetleaf/ Stevia

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6 months ago #601
Richard
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August 5, 2017:
Just suffered another night of paroxysmal fibrillations. I will be eliminating stevia as a strong suspect, having been through this months ago, and found stopping it cured my cardiac problem. I use about a teaspoon a day.

Not sure why the arrhythmias. So scary, I at age 75 had to review my Will.

Something about low blood sugar causing cortisol and other adrenal secretions that can overexcite the parasympathetic nervous system. Got weird supine ectopic beats that stopped on standing up. Go figure.

No more stevia for me.

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6 months ago #602
Susan
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I have been having heart palpitations, racing heart and insomnia. All my test check out fine. I just realized today that I added stevia into my diet back in June and my insomnia started first and then heart palpitations. Can this be the Stevia? I just pyure stevia.

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6 months ago #603
Richard
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Dear Susan,The human body is way too complex to nail exactly what's going on. Stevia and other artificial sugars could tinker with biochemical pathways that lead to AFibs and palpitations. I stopped using Stevia when it became suspect, and for a time the palps stopped. But they returned without stevia with maddening stealth.

First clue:My attention has turned to homocysteine. I noticed when I went strictly vegetarian for 3 months, the palps receded to zero. When I went back to the Paleo diet with meat, fish, egs, dairy, palps returned.

Second clue: I tried using SAM-e, a methionine source, and the palps came back with a vengeance.

Third Clue:I stopped SAM-e and hoped the palps would go away, but as long as I was on the Paleo Diet, they continued to plague me, but not so bad.

I'm a bit slow on the draw, but finally the pieces of the puzzle seem to suggest homocysteine, and even more likelly since I'm a senior in my seventies with signs of arteriosclerosis on LifeScreen diagnostics and arthritis.

So I googled (Homocysteine arrhythmias):up comes verification that they are correllated.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19110030

Then I googled homocysteine for the full scoop behind that disease, and here's what I found. Well worth three readings since it's packed with vital information on four pages. http://www.lifeextension.com/Protocols/Heart-Circulatory/Homocysteine-Reduction/Page-01

The bottom line for me: I have to use certain supplements like methylized Folate, Taurine, Choline, B12 methylcobalamin lozenges, and P5P( enzymated Vit B6) to reduce accumulated Homocysteine in my system over a priod of time, maybe 4 weeks, before my palps and supine palpitations totally fade away.

The above article gives excellent details and research data. Only one day on these supplements and I'm already relieved of random but constant ectopic heart beats. Last night I couldn't lay supine to sleep without paroxysmal terror, and Afibs that wouldn't stop for hours.
This is a complex subject better left to experts for explanations. I really don't believe at this point that stevia was the Cause of my palps. I haven't had time to test this, but I will. It's my gut feeling that once I lower my homocysteine surplus, I'll be able to use it, and a whole lot of other foods I thought were nasty triggers.

We're on our own, sweet heart. Most doctors haven't a clue how this all goes down. They look to temporary bandaids like atropine, digitalis, and inversion shock, which only cloak the underlying cause. They mean well, but frankly they aren't educated enough to heal this disease. Some might even admit their ignorance.
If you decide to approach your problem in this way, keep us posted on your progress. Lots of folks out there are anxious to hear how we do.

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5 months ago #604
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How long did it take him to recover? Was he on it daily? I have a SEVERE reaction and now need to detox it all out! YIKES

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5 months ago #605
Richard
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Dear FaithJ,

As I wrote in my last post, stevia is only a small part of the problem that I had (or have). Most of us over 40 on the typical western high protein diet have a nasty accumulation of homocysteine, which can be provoked into hyperdrive interference of the nervous system (the vagus nerve in particular) by certain dietary events, like hypoglycemia from overuse of stevia, xylitol, sugar, etc, that release insulin and adrenaline, and other secretions that can rattle the heart. Three drops aren't going to cause this, but a teaspoon a day in lots of coffee could.😈 Your body "tastes" stevia is real sugar and reacts accordingly.

The rattlesnake under the bed is hyperhomocysteine (HHf).I'm still in investigative mode, and last night was a real terror. I can't go into all the details here, but this morning after an all-nighter studying it all, "working out my salvation in fear and trembling" , I stumbled into my kitchen, ate a vegetarian breakfast, took a 1/4 capsule of B vitamins with methyolated folate and B12 methylcobalamin (about 6 mg of B1,B2,B6, 60mcgs Folate). I went back to sleep exhausted despite the scary arrythmias, four hours later awoke without a sign of the disease that's been plaguing me for 2 months. 😁 I could lie on my back, supine, without so much as one ectopic beat. Thank God for the guidance. But Time will tell.

Can't say if it's a temporary reprieve, but note the vegetarian breakfast and low dosage of B vitamins. Real important not to overwhelm your hyperfragile system with methionine-rich animal protein, or even with the vitamins that help reduce homocysteine. Doing so can make you feel worse, as I'd done. Go slow, real slow. If it feels like your crawling under barbed wire in a no-man's-land battle zone, you are.

Now I'll post you a link that explains most of this in detail. I'm confident this approach will work for you, so give it a fair chance. It won't kill you to go on a modified vegetarian (low methionine) diet for a few days. But the constant arrhythmias might. Good luck, brave one.👍 Keep us posted. Lots of us are prayerfully awaiting your report of success.
https://www.patrickholford.com/advice/how-to-lower-your-homocysteine-level

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5 months ago #606
Joshua
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I drank about 16 stevia sweetened sodas last weekend and spent about 24 hours with crippling spasms. Flushing with water and beetjuice now.

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5 months ago #607
Barney
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Even without stevia, that is too many sodas. IMO

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4 months ago #608
Sher113
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I used to sweeten my coffee with Stevia (the powder in the packets..regular kind in supermarket not the organic ones). Did this for months without noticing anything until the swelling ( edema ) started both my feet andwith anlikes every day. (Happended gradually over time until it became so very swollen every single day!!!!). This Was such a burden and so unsightly. I did all the tests and blood work and doppler etc and all was fine.I then suspected stevia and stopped it for a week.the swelling was still there everyday so I thought it wasn't the Stevia. Then a whole year after...I had a baby and after drinking tea with sugar in hospital for a few days i went home and continued for 2 to 3 weeks straight without consuming any stevia. The swelling stopped and never returned. Guess it took a while for it to completely leave my body. Not sure if it was the Stevia or the additives. Either way be careful and if u experience any such symptoms and suspect it's due to an allergy...stay off the product for a while just to safely rule it out. Hope this helps someone

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4 months ago #609
Richard
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I don't think stevia has adverse effects like that. I've noticed it causes what appears to be an insulin rush if taken alone in tea or coffee. Our tonuge senses sweetness and preempts it by secreting insulin. I feel it's okay to use stevia moderately with other natural sugars like berries and yogurt. Using it alone is taboo for me.

As for your swollen ankles, look to potassium deficiency. Typical diet has about 3200 mgs of K and should have 5000mgs.(Adelle Davis, Let's Eat right to Keep Fit, pg 192) Slowly but surely, the whole body becomes deprived of K, and this causes all kinds of problems, the most serious being heart arrhythmias, and venous insufficency, showings as spider veins or varicose veins. I don't think stevia mugs K, but it might. Look to upping your dietary intake of K, using discretion in choice of foods. For instance a banana has about 350 mgs of K and 200 calories. A 5.5 ou of low sodium V* juice had 700 mgs of K and only 30 calories.

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4 months ago #610
Dustin
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Stevia definitely **** me all up. I posted on here a few months back with all of my symptoms, worried out of my mind because I didn't know what was going on. Numbing and inflamed joints, muscle twitching / cramps, extreme pain, RLS type symptoms in my legs. Stopped taking stevia and within a week most of the pain had all stopped. I still get muscle twitching even months later now, but have been on magnesium, iron and potassium pills. Along with vitamin b complex and some amino acid blends and it's starting to go away finally.
DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE WHAT STEVIA WILL DO TO CERTAIN PEOPLE. It all depends on your physiology but stevia Is definitely a POISON for some people.

Without a doubt it was the stevia that did that to me. It was the only thing that ever changed in my diet.

I will never touch it again

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4 months ago #611
Dustin
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I have no doubt it was the stevia

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4 months ago #612
Richard
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Stevia could be a potassium mugger, like sulfates. It takes a while for mineral repletion to take effect, maybe a week. You may find that after full repletion, you can use stevia in moderation, but keep in mind it can be for you a potassium mugger.

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4 months ago #613
Barney
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Given a year ago, I would say there is nothing wrong with Stevia,, but I have tried both powdered stevoa amd stevia in glycerin. Over probablly 1o to 15 or more years I have swollen and been in so much pain it is not funny. I will never touch it again in any form. I think I have given it more of a chance than it deserves. Bonita

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3 months ago #614
Jessica
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I am just so grateful to have found this thread. About three years ago a diabetic friend introduced me to stevia-sweetened chocolate and I have been eating it regularly since then. And when I say regularly, I mean probably every other day, if not more. At first, I noticed some very mild--and fleeting--heart palpitations but I just accepted them as part of the stevia story. I say that because I'm quite sensitive to food and how it affects me, and I realized that stevia (especially refined, and in chocolate) was a leap for my body, but I honestly didn't think I'd end up addicted to it, so I just took the symptoms in stride.

Fast forward three years: In that time, I have developed osteoarthritis in my left hip. Many of my joints feel loose and weak. I experience thigh and lower back pain every night, so bad sometimes I have a hard time rolling over without grimacing or even yelling "OW!!!". Getting out of bed, I hobble like an old woman. I am 50 and not overweight, BTW. The bottoms of my feet are sore every morning. I hesitate before getting out of the car, or up from a seat at a restaurant, because I know I will have to adjust my body in a less-than-elegant way in order to move through the muscle stiffness. My gait has changed because the muscles in my lower back are so tight. Although these symptoms have gotten worse, the first inklings of them came very quickly, within six to twelve months. In fact, I said to many friends when they first started, "I feel like I've aged a decade in one year".

So this morning, I awoke with unusually crazy calf pain. It made no sense, as I didn't exert myself over the weekend. I ran through what I'd eaten over the last two days, and I remembered that I'd had some Zevia (a stevia-sweetened soda I've started drinking, addictively, in the last couple of months) on Saturday night, after a few days without it. I thought to google "stevia muscle pain" and HERE YOU ALL ARE!!! I can't tell you the relief I'm feeling reading all your stories. I realize this may be a long recovery (or short, who knows?), but I am overjoyed to have pinpointed a possible culprit. I was feeling soooo baffled and demoralized by all the mysterious symptoms and the rapid decline... it has been horrible.

Thank you all for listening, and understanding.

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3 months ago #615
Dustin
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Jessica.

So glad you may have found part of it the source to your problem. As I said in previous posts I too suffered from many of the same pains that you have. The muscle pains and cramps were terrible. It went on for months and started so suddenly. Started with numbness in my feet, then my hands, then turned to pain in all my joints, including neck and shoulders, from there started muscle cramps in calves and muscle twitches all over my body including my face, arms, sides, and especially calves and thighs. Even my toes and fingers were twitching. It scared the living hell out of me which didn't make things any better. Went to my internist dr, he ran a ton of tests which showed nothing abnormal, then he sent me to a rheumatologist thinking it could have been sudden onset arthritis, but she couldn't find anything wrong and dismissed the pain as Carpal and tarsal tunnel in both hands and both feet which I thought was ridiculous, and she still referred me to a neurologist because she couldn't explain my twitching. Well took 3 months to see a neurologist and at that point I had already pinpointed stevia and was off it for almost two months. Neurologist ran mri of my brain and my neck, and did a nerve conduction study on my body, and more blood work, everything was normal. Concluded that the twitching was BFS(benign fasciculation syndrome) which is usually caused by unknown triggers. For me I believe the initial cause was stevia. I'm only 29 yrs old and in very good health otherwise, but was feeling as if I was 90 yrs old. It took a week or two for the symptoms to finally get back to normal for me, but I did notice an almost withdrawal like effect after the first two to three days after stopping stevia completely. Within 1 to 2 weeks pain was all gone. I also suffered from muscle fascicualtion / spasms which started when my stevia episode began. But they have yet to completely stop even months later. Your nerves take an incredibly long time to heal. Lots of rest, and plenty of vitamins like magnesium, iron, potassium, and b vitamins, including different amino acids will help. It wasn't until I started taking these supplements that my muscle twitching and calf cramps started to get better. I can now say my muscle
Twitches are almost completely gone. It's been almost 4 months since I completely stopped stevia. I'll also note that I've never had any other nerve or joint pain problems until this point. Also, I had been taking stevia for a couple years before this point, with no known or noticeable problems. Then we switched stevia brands and all this started. So some brands may effect you all worse than others. For me I just stick to raw sugar and honey now. Hope this helps someone.

Also in my research I found that the chemicals extracted in stevia also Mimmick a hormone in our body, because the chemical structure is very similar. This may trick our bodies into allowing it to cross the blood brain barrier where it begins to wreak havoc on our nervous system bc our body doesn't know what to do with it. Paired with the fact that it's related to ragweed and some may have an allergic reaction to it, I'd be weary when taking this. It may take time for symptoms to show as it builds slowly in your system.

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3 months ago #616
Richard
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Update: My homocysteine blood test came out normal. So I had to look elsewhere for my constant cardiac arrhythmias. I finally discovered that a 3:1 combination of taurine and arginine stopped the arrhtymias. I had to use upwards of 10 grms of taurine a day, until it stopped the arrhythmias. I also used lysine to avoid shingles exascerbation from arginine. 3:1:1 ratio. I also use a diet enriched with potassium foods and a K supplement.

Study the case histories in link.
Stevia might be a mugger of potassium and taurine, causing multiple problems.

Good luck out there. Doctors haven't a clue. Consider yourself a solo experiment in risky territory.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/6986356_Elimination_of_cardiac_arrhythmias_using_oral_taurine_with_L-arginine_with_case_histories_Hypothesis_for_nitric_oxide_stabilization_of_the_sinus_node

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3 months ago #617
Jessica
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Thanks, Dustin.
It's amazing to hear your story, and heartening to know that things have gotten better.

For me, it's only day six off of stevia and I feel REALLY different. I have more energy, and don't feel like I need to take a nap every day. There's a resiliency in my muscles, especially in my legs, lower back and hips, that has been missing for a couple of years. I always wondered why, when I would lay down in bed, my muscles would seem to melt right into the bed, making turning over almost difficult. But now I see that it's the "muscle fatigue" described as one of the stevia symptoms on any website with the balls to mention that stevia might cause problems. I am getting up from bed and from chairs much more easily and I'm able to stand without leaning to one side and bending the knee of my left leg because the muscles around my left hip are no longer so tight... that's a miracle because those muscles have been in a worsening death grip for a very long time. In fact, without getting too dramatic, I'm starting to think there's a possibility that muscle tightening and stiffness (my first symptoms) may have been the underlying cause of my arthritis... it's as if the muscles around my left hip got so tightly gripped that my pelvis shifted forward, causing the top of my femur bone to rub against my pelvic bone... that's how the arthritis started; an annoying brushing together of bones that are now rubbed raw of all cartilage. Off the stevia, the muscles around the left side of my pelvis are letting go, softening. It feels fantastic and I am so grateful...

I know it sounds like a lot, and in just six days, but I am a very sensitive person who's eaten healthy food for thirty years. I don't drink alcohol or caffeine, don't eat white sugar, or dairy, and haven't for years. In fact, I write books about the power of food, so this whole experience has been both terrifying (before) and illuminating (now). I am stunned by how strong this stuff is, and yet, what the hell was I thinking, eating a chemically refined sweetener so regularly?

As I continue to recover, and feel like a new person, I plan to inform the chiropractor and physical therapist I saw when I was struggling with all my symptoms about my Stevia Experiment. I think every health practitioner should know that some of their clients may be suffering from something with such a simple cause.

It also freaks me out that Halo Top ice cream, sweetened with stevia and erythritol, is currently the best selling ice cream in this country. And that the label encourages customers to consume entire pints at a time. We will be seeing more of these symptoms and more baffled sufferers. Oy.

I hope your recovery continues, day by day, and you are right that the nervous system is slow to heal, but it can, and it does.

Take care,
Jessica

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3 months ago #618
Gargoyle Eyes!
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YES! I've had these swollen, itchy eyes for ages. I figure, I have a ragweed allergy and all this time, I've been basically "Eating A Ragweed". Feel like an idiot. Think I'll just start drinking my coffee black!

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3 months ago #619
Anna
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Two weeks ago I was diagnosed with a racing heart or tachycardia. I underwent testing but no one knew what was going on with my heart. The heart doctor told me I was very healthy but my heart was going from 70 to 140 beats per minute in a few seconds. I had recently started using stevia about 2 months ago and liked it.

I took myself off stevia and my rushing heart calmed. I plan to follow with my cardiologist and not assume it was all the stevia. I do the stevia was impacting my heart rate. I thought I was having a heart attack.

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2 months ago #620
Susan
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For adrenal support try ashwandanga and pure Maca powder from Peru ... they are adaptogen herbs ... get your thyroid tested with an ultrasound and see if your iodine levels are enough for healthy and thyroid ... blood test for thyroid is not enough nor is table salt which Is stripped of minerals ...

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1 month ago #621
Jessica
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Hi all,
Well it's been almost six weeks since I stopped using all forms of stevia. My energy is MUCH better. I no longer have to take a nap every day. I find that, in general, my body has more get up and go, and I don't feel like I'm an 80 year-old stuck inside a 50 year-old body. Although the muscle pain has subsided from a lot of my body (by the end, I was feeling it many places), I still have pain and fatigue in my leg muscles, especially after exercise. Yesterday and today were particularly bad, although I saw my doctor yesterday who tested my liver function and some marker for muscle damage, both of which were normal. Phew. But I do hope the muscle problems go away, over time. It's as if the muscles of my lower back and around my hips just don't work... like they sort of melt into uselessness when I sit or lie down, and then are sore and tight when I stand to use them. If I walk for a while, most of it goes away, but the whole thing repeats itself after I sit for a while. Does anyone else experience something like this, and if so, how long did it take to resolve itself? Thanks so much,
Jessica

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1 month ago #622
Richard
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You might consider testing your morning urine Ph, which should be 6.4 to 7.0. Acidosis can cause your symptoms. start with 1/2 flat teaspoon of baking soda with lemon juice every morning. Titrate , slowly increase up, until your Ph reads as above. Lactic acid fatigue comes from muscle exertion, neutralized by alkalinity if adequate.

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is another possibility. There are forums that you can google research.

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1 month ago #623
Frank
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Thank you for the post. It dawned on me out of the blue. My heart was doing flip flops. Thought it could be anxiety or a number of other things. Stopped stevia at 10am and at 10pm my chest is starting to feel normal again. Never again will I consume stevia again.

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3 weeks ago #624
Wayne
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Rose,

I used Stevia for four days on my cereal. I started to have what felt like panic attacks, dizziness and terrible nausea, even with an empty stomach. I would get so dizzy, I had to sit or lie down quickly, because it felt like I would fall down if I didn't. I am on my second day of stopping Stevia and I expect these symptoms will go away. I say stick with sugar!

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1 week ago #625
Rs2416
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I started using Stevia in the Raw two weeks ago. For the past two days I’ve been having body aches and chills, stomach cramping and headache. No fever, no rashes (yet). I thought maybe it was the flu, but I don’t have any respiratory symptoms. I think it’s the Stevia now after reading this form. I’d never been allergic to anything in my life. Thank you all for your posts. How long does it take to feel better once you stop taking Stevia?

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