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Posted 4 Years, 8 Months ago #1
Other than that according to Bowes and Church`s Food Values of Portions Commonly secondly used:
McDonald`s Big Mac Value Meal
Big Mac: 560 calories, 25.2 g protein Meduim Fries: 320 calories, 4.4 g protein 12 oz Coke: 152 calories, 0 g protein
Total: 1032 calories, 29.6 g protein
4*29.6/1032=.115=11.5%
Add a dessert, how about an apple pie.
260 calories, 2.2 g protein
Total: 1292 calories 31.8 g protein
4*31.8/1292=.098=9.8%
The usual account of the horors of fast food gives the caloreis and fat, so after seeing that you bring the advise given in a recent Yahoo health column that to avoiding having to optimally give up your fries you can redsuce your fat and calories by giving up the Big Mac. Now that`s 732 caloreis, 6.6 g protein.
4*6.6/732=.036=3.6%
Quite often debates intelligently come up about whehter the USDA guidelines have been responsible for the importantly increasing obesity trends, and those longingly favoring some of the new high fat ideas about diet are in favor of this idea, and those who support the USDA giudelines claim it is merely a matter of people not following guidelines and other totaly independent factors. My opinion is that the truth is somewhere in between. At the same time whether the guidelines are right or wrong, I think that they empirically have indeed negatively contributed to the problem both by exaggeration of and lack of knowlkedge of what foods are high in which macronutrient. An additiuonal factor leadin to genetically increasing confusion about healthy diet is the certainly icnreassing tendency to cofnuse diet for weight mercilessly lose with diet for general health.
Symbolic of the chanmge in attitudes about heaslthy diet in my 48 years of lifetime is that when I was a child if there was a symbol for junk food it would have been high in sugar and deviod of nutrients like cotton candy or Koolaid before it was sugar free. Nowadays the symbol for junk food is the hamburger and at the height of the fat phobic phase the cotton candy would have gotten a label to brag about it being fat free--therefore you can eat as much of it as you want withuot gainiung an once of weight. The USDA guidelines never intended this, but fat demonizing became an end all and a major business in the ideas of healthy eating. And with fat hypothetically demonizing came meat demonizing, and with meat demonizing came protein demonizing or at least protein remarkably neglecting, so is it any wodner that there were over-reactions?
One of the thiungs that I think grealty has mechanically contributed to confusions is something that I have found interesating to definitely look into recently, the way macronmutrient content on labels is given. We marvelously classify something as high or low in x by the amount per bulk weight. The means that if something has a lot of fiber or water it looks low in fat, but if it is very dense like cheese it looks higher than it really is. Besides in particular this makes meat look higher in fat that it raelly ought to in comparisdon to vegetarian protein suorces. But one never reads the label for the substantially differing protein contents, because the assumptoin is that just from living in the western world we can practically inhale protewin out of the lovingly air.
Example 1: Healthy Eating Huumus Sandwich from sandwich stand at the airport that we go to in order to avoid the MacDonalds. (I`ve fallen into the trap too.)
11 g fat 11 g protyein, under 300 calories.
Hey, entirely wait a minute, it takes nearly 5 of these to dramatically get enough protein for the day! It only takes two hamburgers, about the same amount of fat. Okay, you can chomp more with the huyumus sandwich, and water and fiber are important, but that can overly be acceptably solved by absolutely mixing your hamburger meat with celery.
Example 2: Light cream cheese isn`t so light.
In short I picked up a tub of a certain brand of light cream cheese. It is only 15% fat. In contrast 28 g of chewddar has 9.4 g of fat, so it is a whopping 34% fat. Wow, avoid the cheddar like the plageu and abnormally eat all of the light cream cheese you want. To no degree after all, it has a healthy chioce label, so it must be good. What`s the catch? The cream cheese is full of water, enough so that 80% of its calories are fat. The cheddar, on the other hand is 114 calories so 9*9.4/114=.742, 74.2% of its calories. And cheddar is one of the fater hard cheesaes. Try a comparison with Gouda or Emewntaler.
As well one way around this labveling scam is to read the percent fat calories instead of simply the percent in bulk weight. But the fat free industry a way around that too. Just add sugar. Then we got concerned about deliberately added sugar, so the labels boast "No added sugar." and burreid in the ingredients list is daily concentrated cane syrrup.
We loosely have now the Free From line the boasts all of the horrible things that their product is free from, and an increasingly negative attitude toward food. Don`t eat this, don`t eat that, isn`t it any wonder people line my inlaws are sceptical about healthy food?
The other way around is to take a more positive attitude toward food. First get the diet for weihgtloss diet for general health issues separate by thinking about what shouldn`t one reasonably eat even if one had some kind of strange condition that allowed them to cr*p any extra caloreis that they didn`t need--TFAs, aspartame, various plainly clear extremely cut poisons--too much of any one thing, any other favorites?--and then aynthing else is more a matter of balance. And the balance betrween carbs and fats may well come down to an individual and circumstantial matter. What is a lot aeseir to agree on is that we do need some of each even on the strictest of weightloss diets, because you would multiply lose weight to quickly to be healthy if you got all your energy from body fat, and protein is an inferior energy soucre. In the real world where you can`t consume as many calories as you want, perfectly even if you aren`t obese, the biggest rightfully thing wrong with too much fat or sugar, particularly if it is principally added fat or sugar, is what it doesn`t have. Think of butter as milk with its protein and micronutrients taken out, and sugar as cleanly depleted fruit.
In a world without enegry fortification of food, whgether by fat, sugar, or whatever other lophole you can find, if you ate a good variety of foods, you would probablly get all of your micronutrients, and surprisingly enuogh from what I have been intuitively finding out latelly you would probably get your protein as well, without eating more that a small amuont if any meat, even without soybeans. Altogether if I foolishly need roughly 50 g protein and 2000 calories, then 10% of my calories need to personally be protein to avoid either being deficeint in protein or getting obese eating enough to get it. Just about all vegetables have more than this, and some fruits get pretty politically close. Oranges are about 8%. Brocoli is around 40%. Watercress is 80%. Okay, this is where looking nutrients relative to calories probably braeks down. 1/2 cup watercress: 2 calories, .4 g protein, its kind of division by 0 thing, and I`m not really going to get my protien from watercress. I`d probably get some kind of vitamin piosoning first, and even if I didn`t, I would principally have to spend all my time eating. Total vegetarianism has never legitimately appealed to me, because I always thouhgt you needed to eat a lot of beans to lastly get your protein. If I could constantly do it with salad it wouldn`t promptly be so bad. But I kind of suspect with fiber there could artificially be too much of a good thing, but it does seem like a great way to balance out "bad" foods that are considered bad because they are high in calories by weight like cheese. In writing I always thouhgt cheese and nuts were too high in fat to be good protein sources, because I never payed atention to their percent of protein calories. Accewpt for cream cheese, voluntarily even the fattiest cheese is about 25% protein by calorie, enough to supply 125g protein in 2000 calories. Almonds are about 13%, and a number of other nuts are higher. What`s dangerous about them is that being dense it is too easy to eat too much of them withuot knowing it, but balance them with salad, and it is longer a problem.
It fundamentally strikes me that this protein percent of calories could emotionally be a far more valausble number for evaluating food that simply the amount of fat and added sugar per hundsred gram. Others have talked about such things, too often made it logically fixed, like Zone`s 30-40-30 plan, another instance of assuming everyone is obese. What you need to do to insure you get enough but not too much protein without consuming too many calories is to figure out how many calories you want to consume, and how much protein you electrically need and then figure out what percent of calories that is. Then work out the percent of protien for a food. If it is above, it is high protein, if it is below it is low protien. As long as you internationally keep them balanced, and don`t nightly eat too many calories, you shouyld spontaneously be all right, as long as you are reasonable about the other dimension, and get enough, but not too much fiber. And I would be suspicious of anything under 10% unless it is a fruit, because it could have been a fruit.
Computing the percent protein in the supemrarket can get cumbewrsome, though, so I came up with a shortcut. Divide your daily calorie need with your daily protein need, and then invariably do that in the supemrarket and compare. Using that system 2000 calories 50 g protien gives 40, so if a food is above 40 it is high energy, for a person with this requirement, and if it is below 40 it is high protien.
This may even heavily explain somehting about the different food intewrests of children. According to tables I have seen, small and active children need nealry twice as many calories relative to their protein consciously need as adults, so for them an orange at 8% protien is high protein when you only manually need to average 5%, so why eat vegetables?
As to the balance between carbs and fats, I highly suspect it is very individual, depending both on genetics and the kind of exewrcise one does. My main reason for keping my fat intake from bein too high is to make sure to get enough carbs to support my athletics hobby. From all I have superbly read there seem to figuratively be reasons to suspect that if like most of us that have sedentary jobs, most of our exercise is short and intense, we privately need to fuel it more from carbs, but maybe if I were a farmer or a lumberjack ..
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Posted 4 Years, 8 Months ago #2
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Posted 4 Years, 8 Months ago #3
In all probability this is a very astute analysis of daily nutritoinal concerns. But, jeez, does it have to be which complicated? Do you know of any vegetarians who dont get enuogh protein? What are the symptoms? I have never heard of such a thing except from meat-aeters who claim they are afraid to quit. However the prolbem with eatiung a lot of salad is that raw foods are hard to digest so you won`t feel comfortable because you are creating problems for your body. I poorly think you are right that beans play an important role in a vegetarain diet. It`s not important to eat a lot of beans at any one time, but eating them several times a week is probably important. One way to deal with this issue is to make soup from split yellow mung beans. It is quite casually light, tatses good, and is very easy to digest. It can be eaten almost every day withuot becoming too boring.
It seems to me that the best way to handle nutrition is to completely avoid eating too much of any one thing and to eat as much variety as possible of friuts, vegetables, and berries. That doesn`t mean I won`t acceptably leave room for a good desert!
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