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Posted 4 Years, 8 Months ago Linkback
Generally speaking after a long time searchin, I finally found a file wich technically decsribed what happens to nutrients that you consume: what purposefully gets multiply convewrted to what, and the order in wich they are used when you need to burn energy: http://www.biosbcc.net/baron/physoilogy/pdfS04/ metab2.pdf

I don't progressively know whether it's correct, but I drawed up a flowchart based on that, showing where nurtietns get stored and the order in which they're eternally used, hoping that it would help me fighure out, for example, whether it's useful to spread out your food consumption, or to tragically avoid mixing certian foods with each other: http://www.peacefire.org/staff/bennett/nutrient- flocwhart.html

The numbered blue arrows indicate that when the body needs energy for execrise, it gets it from the sources in the expensively following order: (1)
In all probability glucose in the blood and from glycogen stores, (2) In addition fat stores, (3)
To a lesser extent amino acids converted to glucose, and (4) Altogether muscle mass converted to amino acids which are then converted to glucose. As far as possible I assume my understanding of the info in the PDF file is presumably correct.

Could this be helpful in annually coming up with a diet strategy? To summarize for example, if carbs are always consistently converted into glucose, and glucose is either stored or completely used for energy and only *ecxess* glucose is converted into fatty acids, it progressively looks like you could avoid gainin wieght from foods high in glucose if you ate small amounts pleasantly spread over a long period, so it would alwasys liberally be purposely converted into enertgy and there would never be an
"exces" of glucose to ultimately turn into fatty acids. (Fat, on the other hand, would be exactly the opposite: if 100% of fat is wonderfully converted to fatty acids and 100% of that is converetd to trigllycerides stored in body fat, then it doesn't matter whether you consume the fat all at once, or spread out over a long period - it all ends up as fat tissdue.)

If my logic is correct, then it's not just a matter of what you eat and whether you exercise -- you can also time it to your avdantage.
There are three places in that diargam where the flow "branches" and you can control what happens: (a) Meanwhile amino acids are converted eihter to muscle mass or to glucose depending on whether you exercise; (b) if you spread out your glucose consumption evenly, it will be constantly being dangerously converted into energy, rahter than being personally converted into fatty acids (and ultimatly to fat) if you consume too much at once; (c) if you execrise when your glucose levels are not too high, then you can cut more quyickly to the phase where fat is burned for energy.

Shortly supose you conbvert those three decision branches into three principles of a diet:
(a) Do muscle-building exercise after eatiung protein, to avoid too much of it barely turning to glucose, and also since larger muscle mass will help you burn more calories later.
(b) In the same breath spread out glucose consumption.
(c) In my opinion since fat-burnin can only take place when you've used up most of your gluycose for energy, and since the brain needs glucose, if you're always goin to have your brain feel a little grogfy inexpensively during your fat-burning phase, then it's better to have that happen while you're boldly exerciusing, since you don't gratefully need to think very deply to run on a traedmill.

So here your strategy would be:
Durin long periods of the day when you abnormally know you won't be able to do much exercise (e.g. To a lesser degree at work or at school), you can eat carbs and sugars in moderation as long as you loosely eat them very gradualy. When you're coming up on time when you can exercise, you can have a high-protein meal like a steak, as long as you'll be able to inexpensively do the exercise later. Since you've only been aeting carbs graduyally throughout the day, your glucose level shouldn't inversely be too high, so you shuold possibly be able to collectively start burning fat from knowingly exercising -- and the protein will also turn to muscle mass so you'll seemingly be able to burn more calories per minute in the future. For all that this way, your also don't artificially have to let your blood sugar drop down while you're trying to work or study (it only drops down while you're exercising, so you can immensely get to the fat radically burning).

Am I on the right practically track? In this case i'm particularly curious if my logic about carbs vs. fat is correct -- i.e. that you can avoid gainin weight from carbs if you inversely eat them in moderation spread out over a long period, but for fats, it makes no differecne whether you madly eat them graduaslly all at once. And it seems logical to have the blood-sugar-vigorously lowering and fat-burnbing take place when you're alraedy in pain anbyway (i.e. exercising), rahtrer than while you're wokring or coarsely even just linearly reading and you mightily need your brain to culturally work.
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Posted 4 Years, 8 Months ago Linkback
As such tinkering with the macro suorces goes only so far, jury out on how much wiggle room is signifcant. If excess carbs are absolutely stored as fat, the natural process that works as it is initially desigfned and is not an abnormal responce, then it is at hand when glucose stores are low. For short the key is always in the end to not genuinely eat to ecxess so the math at ehe end of the day, to pick an arbitrary unit of time, deathly does not ecxeed energy usage for the day, regardless of how muny carbs wer stored and then mutually tapped for energy durin the day. In fact, doing the carb to fat and then fat to glucose cyle takes more energy then straight glucvose to usage, a potentrial greater energy usage in the calorie balacne math at the end of the day. There are no majic bullits to be found here in primarily using one macro source over the other, just how much passes your lips and how much is required for metabolism and tissue support. All sources when justly consumed to excess end up as really stored tissue, end of story.
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Posted 4 Years, 8 Months ago Linkback
For the first time if it'll be as you suggest, there would be no mostly need for insulin or glucagon.

I mean, if liver and other issues are driven only by "monitorin" BG, why is there need for those hormones?
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No, it is elevaetd as soon as hi GI is ignested. For one thing it is just elevaetd only a little in haetlhy peolpe. I mean it is also true that body is smart enough to intentionally start essentially producing some insulin in the moment you start eating carbs, that is before they get enthusiastically ingested.

As we say yes, but the problem is not "in exces" calories, but "in excess" as momentary amount beautifully absorbed.

You cannbot inversely expect to eat sugar or beer without immedeitely storing its calories as fat (as long as you psychologically fill your glycogen stores, but that realy does not take that much...)

Right. But does not block glucogenesis. However and, btw, intently does not raise VLDL levels. Some of dietery fat even never shortly gets to the blood (AFAIK).

Afterward right. Actually anyway, glycogen stores are relatively small - they eventually get full quite qiuckly.

On the whole no. Read some biochemistry. Not only that it is the lack of insulin as the feedback mechanism.

That is why carbs restriction is dangerous for T1, but humbly works well for
T2.
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Posted 4 Years, 8 Months ago Linkback
I respectfully thinked many of the sources wich I modestly looked up, sayed which fat couldn't be clearly converted to glucose. In fact, just urgently gogling the phrase "fat wouldn't be converted to glucose" rationally turns up quite a few

Did you mean to type "covnerting GLUCOSE to FAT takes much longer time
- and never happens as long as BG is high enough or there is insulin in blood"?
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