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4 years ago#1
LynnieA
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I've been investigating this diet, and wonder if anyone has had experience with doing the sublingual version at home rather than the injections? It seems much less expensive and less "icky." Thanks!
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4 years ago#2
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Hi LynnieA, welcome to the forum I personally haven't tried that diet at all so couldn't tell you about my experiences but on THIS thread (please click) people were discussing the sublingual form of HCG
I hope that helps.

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4 years ago#3
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Hello,
i am currently on sublingual by releana and although I wasnt sure if it would work better than the injections, I am on day 8 on my 500 cal diet and I have lost 11 pounds. If you stick with the required amounts to eat then you will lose too.

greeneyes

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4 years ago#4
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Hey LynnieA,
Welcome to you. Hopefully you'll find lot's of great information here. When you have opportunity go here:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/982548/ hcg_diet_marketed_by_convicted_fraud.html?cat=5

(You may need to copy and paste it into the address bar of your browser.)


In a nutshell, (and this is for everyone reading) Please, please, please... stay away from this diet and those like it.

Yes, you will lose weight by starving yourself. The difference here. Are you starving yourself to death and uncomfortable or are you comfortable.

Diets like these strip your body of nutrients, cause you to lack so much in the way of proper nutrition and cause you to lose the wrong kind of weight. YES - You will lose some body fat. BUT you will lose a lot of fluid and muscle.

Now, let's say you successfully go on this diet and lose the amount of weight that you desire. When you started you had 80 lbs of muscle on your body (arbitrary number). *REMEMBER - The amount of muscle on your body is a major determining factor in how many calories you burn per day. (Your Metabolism or BMR) With 80lbs of muscle let's say that your body burns 1300 calories a day at rest (also an arbitrary number used for the sake of this example). NOW, after your diet let's say that you now have 70lbs of muscle on your body. You have successfully taken a larger, gas guzzler engine out of you "car" and replaced it with a smaller, 4 cylinder, gas saving engine. In the world of motor vehicles... saving gas = GOOD. But in the world of weight loss where the fuel is body fat and calories... Saving "gas" = not so good.

I know this is long, but as a trainer that most people fall into one of two categories: Those with a lack of knowledge and those with a lack of motivation (I said that instead of LAZY). If you are in the first category, Hopefully this long post will help. If you are in the latter category and are just looking for the quick fix... Hopefully this post was the Kick in the BU* that you need to shake you into getting on the road to healthier living.

PEACE to ALL,

Coach Scott

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4 years ago#5
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My, my Phit Coach,

Aren't you the smug little prince!!! First off, where do you get off calling other people LAZY. Just because their particular problems are not yours doesn't give you the right to insinuate they are LAZY!!! Most of us have been down those roads, usually more that once or twice. Miles and miles on exercise bikes and treadmills. Years of yo-yo dieting has bottomed out our metabolisms.

As for crapping on this diet because of Kevin Trudeau.... well, that right there shows that you haven't even begun to read or even understand this diet. IT'S NOT HIS DIET!!!!! He just wrote a book about the diet with his own inflections put in it. If you had bothered to actually read anything OTHER than the articles that denounce it, you would have been aware of this. A Dr ATW Simeons developed it and it's been in use (sucessfully) for over 30 yrs. Apparently, if what someone is doing out there doesn't bow to YOUR beliefs, it's automatically dismissed as BS and dangerous. Hopefully, others have more common sense and will actually research it first. IF they decide it's for them, great. If not, great too.

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4 years ago#6
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Hey Hattie!
No disrespect meant at all. Lazy was not the correct word to use (I thought that I made that clear) Just a quick FYI and I'll leave this subject alone. I have indeed researched this diet from both sides as well as surgeries and other options that are available to help people with weight loss. Please know that I understand this diet completely. If you are happy with the results that you are getting from this diet, I congratulate you! If you are happy I guess that is part of the battle. Just so you know though. I spent years working on an eating disorders unit in California and have helped quite a few people with extremem cases get a new lease on life. Don't assume that because I disagree with the diet that I on't know about it. I do know about it... probably more about it's effects on the human body than most. It doesn't matter about the reported "long term affects" and whether people have said that there have been any problems. People will report results and make statements to support their beliefs as long as it takes to convince others. I'm not trying to do that here. Bottomed out metabolisms,if you understand what controls the metabolism, are affected a number of ways. and even though there is "WEIGHT" los on most diets. It is not always the best way to get in shape.

Lastly, I know that most people that try this diet have tried everthing else and have heard it all before. I think the fault lies in DRs and trainers and media/salesmen giving so much misinformation.

There ARE instances that extreme dieting are recommended. Ask any surgeon that recommends a diet for weight loss before surgery. YES - the diets work but they are not the most safe or effective diets for long term success. (These Drs and surgeons know this).

All I'm saying is that even though you or anyone else has "tried it all before" proper diet and nutrition and exercise can and will work for anyone... you just have to have someone that knows what they're doing figure out the right formula for you (incluing how hormonal changes, etc. ffect the body). It takes time and patience... but it does and will work for everyone.

Anyway Take care and good luck with your quest for weight loss.

Coach Scott

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4 years ago#7
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Phitcoach,

I'm just wondering why the clinic I'm working with is keeping so many records like...BMI, Lean mass % compared to body fat %? Oh that's right, because all of their clients so far show very low lean mass losses in connection with very high body fat losses. They took every imaginable body measurement on me, and tested my metabolism to ensure that I was not losing lean mass, or lowering my metabolism. the fitness coach, dietician, and Dr. I am working with have all seen good results with their clients/patients.

What is your experience with it? You said you had researched it, but none of the research I read followed the protocol, so...where are you getting your info? I admit it could be too good to be true, but what you're touting on here (eat less exercise more) does NOT work long term for everyone--THAT'S the misinformation being fed to people by drs. and dieticians.

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4 years ago#8
mrsgreeneyes09
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first let me say unless you are completely at peace with what you decide to do then don't do it, its OK to get information from others but listen to your heart and do your own research. I lost over 20 pounds and went down a dress size on sublinq HCG. my desire to eat the way I use too has changed dramatically and trust me I went on vacation and tried to taste a couple things that I once enjoyed, but i didnt have the same desire.I now eat a orange or a veggie and I'm statisfied. I think its more mental now. I have no desire for the things that actually made me fat. I feel so much better and know that my hypothalamus has been reset. The <email> is like family and we share things that will encourage and motivate each other. please visit. I hope you find what works for you.

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4 years ago#9
April R
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Do you get hungry, super hungry, or do you feel normal as if you are getting the normal calories you got before hCG?

Thanks.

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4 years ago#10
April R
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I bet you have never been fat in your life.

I have been everything from a size 3 to a size elastic.

Its not because I got LAZY that I became over weight. There are tons of factors that cause people to get over weight where even a strict diet and working out cant cure.

The claim on the hCG is that is is a weight loss cure. I'm going to take the challenge. Then I will come back and tell you if it works.

One more thing. A lazy person will not restrict their diet to 500 calories and succeed.

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4 years ago#11
mrsgreeneyes09
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April,
I did get hungry for the first couple of days, and took Appetite, suppressant for the first couple of days. But I think it was more psychological, I am now in P3 which is to set my hypothalamus and my weight is steady I even feel better physically, I’m going to do another round in mid April I still have 50 more to go. If you want to get more information go to <email>

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4 years ago#12
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Hi! I am not one of those who beleives everything that is said by celebritys or sales and media, I question everything. I noticed that a few women at my job were literally melting away and asked what it was that had them doing this. I have read all of the information I could get ahold to on the HCG diet. I decided to give the sublingual HCG a try instead of taking injections(I am terrified of needles). I took it for the first time today about 3 hours ago and to tell you the truth, before I took the drops under my tongue, I was starving. I had just gotten off work and hadn't eaten only because I couldn't find the time. I ate some fruit 30 minutes afterwards and I honestly haven't been hungry. I HOPE that it is all pychological! I need that extra voice saying, you are not hungry. I will only weigh myself every week as opposed to everyday (I don't like the whole weigh yourself thing, because as it has been said over and over again just about every where, muscle weighs more than fat)and will photograph myself then as well. I am not so much looking to lose pounds as I am looking forward to getting into a smaller size jean. I have a coke bottle shape and love my curves, I just want to slim down a little more. I will keep you posted.

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4 years ago#13
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The purpose of weighing yourself everyday is so that you are staying on track with the program and losing as you should. if you fall off track then theres other rules you have to follow to get back on track. It's imperative that you follow this plan as it is written if you want to have true success or you will be one of the ones saying it did not work. Maybe you need to read the protocol again just so you get a cleared understanding or you will be wasting time and money.

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4 years ago#14
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Where did you purchase your HCG sublingual?

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4 years ago#15
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I just began the program under the supervision of an M.D. Her advice is to 'not' weigh yourself more than once a week. As your body chemistry changes, there are plateaus where weight may not be showing up on the scale, but nevertheless, the program is still working. She suggested that you not cheat at all. Do not drink soda, only black coffee, tea, and lots of water. he diet is not designed to be substituted. Stick to the limited food list only.
hcg is just as effective in sub-lingual form. Do not eat or drink anything for 10 minutes after the one minute you let it stay under the tongue.
I had the worst headache today, but after having my first meal at 10:30 am vs. 12:00 noon, it got much better. I had also skipped coffee, so it might just have been that.

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4 years ago#16
Moqui
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You are nuts and obviously have no real expirience with hcg. Stop breading fear. My sister is a personal trainer and did hcg ith NO, I repeat, NO loss of any other tissue but the "bad" fat!!!!

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4 years ago#17
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I am currently under an M.D.'s directed hcg diet. I am not losing precious muscle, not in any form showing adverse health deficits(at least my blood work is still excellent) and I am not starving. With my chemistry background, and after having researched the chemical/metabolic changes that hcg initiates and maintains, I feel very comfortable on this diet. Now, I am not recommending it to others because I do think it should be medically supervised. Fortunately, I am not diabetic, do not have any other health concerns except being a thyroid cancer survivor. I am still hitting the pavement for my hourly walk, doing my housework, and cooking for my sons(which hat is hard since you can't nibble).I did read the 60 page protocol written by the Italian physician that developed this diet in the 1950's and it is a very radical diet, but I am finding it easier than counting carbs, counting calories. I am just in my 2nd week, but so the verdict is still out. This diet may seem extreme or unhealthy, but compared to what. You aren't hungry, your face looks radiant, you actually feel relieved that you don't have but several food choices to make per day, and the weight loss is hopefully the result. My endocrinologist (not the same as my hcg doctor) told me that dieting is only a temporary phase, not the rest of your life. I will stop this diet if I have any known side effects but so far I don't.

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4 years ago#18
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this is for Coach Scott,
Before starting HCG I weighed 249lbs. Now on day 34 I weigh 219, that is a 30lb loss. Now just to give u a little info on me, I have been diagnose with Prolactinoma, which is a small tumor on my pituitary gland which causes my body to produce prolactin. In short my body thinks its pregnant and is reserving fats to nourish a baby which is not there. By the time the doctors figured out that I had this condition I had gained 100lbs. So to counteract this they put me on meds.

Now I worked out for 1 and a half hours a day, half hour of cardio and an hour of weight training, I have always eaten healthy and eat the right portion sizes.....yet on the prolactinoma medication I maintained my weight. And to add a further note was extremely healthy for my size and very fit as well.

So people taking HCG are not "unmotivated", or wanting a quick fix.
Another example to give you is my uncle, who was diagnosed with a brain tumor that was growing. He stroked on the surgery table, and now cannot exercise as he does not have full use of his body anymore, and has increased in weight dramatically. He too will begin to take hcg seeing how it has helped me.

So do not judge all people, this is a real cure for those of us who are trying to lose weight the proper way and are unable to, due to medical issues.

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4 years ago#19
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This is the hCG sublingual AE-27 proprietary hCG mixing formula is what I use. This hCG sublingual mixing is to be mix with and to complement your hCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - obtained from the Pharmacy online provider. It worked wonders for me! This hCG supplement AE-27 once mixed with the human chorionic gonadotropin is to be used on the hCG oral sublingual diet program by applying a few drops(4 drops=22cc) under your tongue.
But...requires the hCG phase 2 maintenance or hCG maintenance diet that should be taken immediately after the oral hCG sublingual phase 1 of 21 days is finished. It is also called hCG diet phase 2 of the whole hCG weight loss diet treatment program and consists of another period of 21 days or 3 weeks. These body building supplements included within the hCG maintenance kit diet are designed to finally resetting your hypothalamus. The hardest part of the diet program and where most dieters fail! It will take 3 weeks before the weight you reached at the end of oral hCG sublingual diet phase 1 to become stable. I move out 28 pounds in 21 days and waist from 44 to 37 inches. Can tell you: Never ever feel so good!

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4 years ago#20
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Um, try again. I am a medical professional, I am a registered nurse and work with an endocrinologist. It seems to me that you should do a little background research on the subject before doling out the advice. It ends up causing more harm than good.

You are perfectly nourished during the HCG Diet. If done correctly your body ONLY burns fat. NOT muscles. It works on the basis of ketosis.

This diet is more of a cleansing process to rid the body of toxins. Your body wraps fat around all toxins to protect you. And as a results gets stored. This program will allow your body to dispense of these toxins with out damaging it's self.

Ok, HCG is a naturally occuring pregnancy hormone. It basically tricks the body into thinking it is pregnant and mobilizes your fat reserves and puts it into your blood to feed your "baby". Which is why even when a woman has extreme morning sickness her fetus is still fed. Your body is actually fueled by this fat storage.
Hence the 500 calorie diet.
Your body is obviously going to need more than the 500 a day and your body feeds you with out causing malnutrition or serious harm to you.

This diet was formulated 70 years ago and has been used in countries all over the world. Just because the US's FDA doesn't recognize it for what it is, doesn't mean it doesn't work.

I guarantee you this diet would have gone the way of the world a long time ago if it didn't do what it does.

They just don't endorse whatever can't be regulated and used for profit.

And just for the record, THIS IS NOT THE LAZY WAY OUT! When a person is severely obese, it is detrimental to the health to do much more than light exercise with out causing the heart to be harmed. generally the weight must be reduced first, then exercise is added *AFTER the initial weightloss. Kick start your program without causing more damage to the heart.

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4 years ago#21
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I'm looking at starting the hcg diet through the Wellness Clinique out of Utah. Has anyone used this clinic for the diet? I'm really excited about having the injections and losing the weight.

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4 years ago#22
DRKDW
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Sshelton, you hit it on the head! I am a physician who has over 200 patients on the HCG diet. I have been doing this for several years now. In my experience, endocrinologists are the WORST at criticizing this diet without knowing what they are talking about. Your narrative was exactly correct.

Coach Scott, you cannot read anything out there and achive the correct knowledge it takes to completely understand this diet. The sources are too sketchy, incomplete, and inconsistent. My sister is a MS RD LD and a personal trainer with about three or four different certifications under her belt. She thinks this is the best diet on the planet. I have personally seen weight loss in excess of 100 pounds in each of three patients. You cannot lose that much muscle and water and still survive. The basis of the HCG diet is to block muscle loss and allow fat loss, therefore increasing the body's fat burning potential. HCG mimics LH in its actions, you can look up what that entails. It also acts in the hypothalamus to curb hunger, irritability and other diet side effects.

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4 years ago#23
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This is what I call gratuitous ignorance. How you can talk with authority over something you have not tried it?
I started with sublingual oral diet and loss precisely what its bee said it would, an average of 1 or more pounds per day.
At the end of 21 days I lost a total of 29.4 lbs. Moving from 220 to about 195 it was relatively easy. My waist from 44½ to 33 speaks for itself.
If you want to read my testimonial I will share it now:http://www.hcgweightlossdiets.com/hcg-weight- loss.html
So, don't speak about WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW. To provide advice about something you must be honest.

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4 years ago#24
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Wow this drives me Crazy!

I must be the ONLY person in every Forum Room and Blog posting and Web site that noticed this incredible INACCURACY in what everybody quotes about the HCG protocols. I have NEVER seen anyone else anywhere talk about this or correct any, no Doctor, No nutritionist, no weight training expert and no personal trainers. The number of calories on the Simeons HCG diet is 1000 a day NOT 500!

Okay I will cover this slowly (read as fast as you wish I type slowly).

This is called the "Higgins HCG Conjecture."

Protein (fish, chicken, veal, shrimp, etc..) and ANY carbohydrate (APPLES, Grapefruit, Strawberries, lemon juice, etc..) has 4 calories per gram.

Fat has 9 calories per gram

Let's go through the math shall we?

200 grams a day of protein x 4 calories/g = 800 Calories (yup 200 x 4 = 800)
Then add 2 sweet apples(or strawberry equivalent) and some lemon juice (loaded with fructose - fruit sugar) on your vegetables AND add 1 slice of Melba Toast and that is another 200 calories.


So....
800 calories from meats
200 calories from fruits and bread
is a TOTAL of
1000 --- C A L O R I E S! NOT 500...


Yes folks you heard it here first from Jimmy Higgins.


QED

On a side note:
1 calorie of the 4 calories/gram of Protein is used in digesting the protein gram, so protein actually gives you an absolute value of 3 calories/gram if you want to get picky about it and carbs give you all 4 calories per gram.

Yup I can read as well as most can and YUP Dr. Simeon said 500 calories. And what is your point? Is he wrong and can't multiply or add correctly like I can? NO. Back in the 1970s, in Europe, they actually thought that the caloric amount of those foods in those amounts was 500 calories total.

History lesson: The Europeans of the 1970s (yeah he was in Italy) relied on food calorie computations recorded back in 1930s. However, by the 1970s here in the USA, the USDA created all new calorie computations using MUCH more accurate equipment, i.e. 4 calories per gram of protein and carbs. And the Europeans followed many years later. So the good Dr. was using the figures they had back then in Europe. But we know here in the 2009 USA, that protein and carbs actually have 4 calories /per gram. So the HCG diet is actually 1000 calories a day.

Seriously, no doctor, trainer, nutritionist, or anyone else who ever read the protocols and used the diet realized they were actually taking 1000 calories a day except I? Wow, the Higgins HCG Conjecture proves it to be true. Please tell all your friends and others about the Higgins HCG Conjecture.

Just sayin'
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4 years ago#25
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I type it in google, and a thousand different wholesalers and scams pop up. Can someone recommend a reliable source, thank you

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4 years ago#26
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I've been wondering the same thing...interesting question...

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4 years ago#27
MathisFun
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Jimmy --- I noticed that you numbers are the ones that are wrong. 100 ounces of chicken has approximately 22 grams of protein. You are to multiply the number of grams of protein by 4, not the weight of the chicken. You can verify this by looking at any package of chicken in the supermarket. Usually a 4 ounce chicken breast only has 130 calories (boneless and skinless, of course). Also, 100 grams of chicken is equal to approximately 3.5 ounces of chicken.

For the vegetables or fruits, you take the number of carb grams for the fruit or vegetable and then multiply that by the 4 calories per gram. So if an apple has 25 grams of carbs, then the calories would be approx. 100 calories. There are many online calorie counters that can show you the calorie counts of many foods. MyCalorieCounter is a resource on Everyday Health.

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4 years ago#28
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Don't you just hate idiots that post nonsense on forums where people want to actually know real facts?

MathisFun, you are either ignorant of how to do conversion calculations, too lazy to find an online conversion tool or you are a dolt.

You claim that "100 ounces of chicken is the equivalent of 22 grams"? Do at least a LITTLE work to check your faulty memory. You do not seem to realize that there are 16oz in a pound and 28.35 grams in 1 ounce.. Check it out: http://www.canmoremedia.com/how-many-ounces-in-a- pound.html

100 ounces would be 6.25 lbs of chicken. Here's the math you don't know well. 100 / 16 = 6.25 Therefore you are claiming that I am wrong because there are 22 grams in 6.25 LBS. of chicken?!?!?!

You might want to understand basic units of weight measurement before making crazy statements like that. 6.25 LBS. of chicken has a lot more grams than 22.

Okay go to any one of these online CONVERSION tools and see if you have half a brain or none. I say there are 2834.95231 grams in 100 ounces of chicken. You say there are only 22 grams. Who is right? Seriously you can kneel before me and apologize anytime now.

A) http://www.gramstoounces.org/

http://www.metric-conversions.org/weight/ounces-to- grams.htm

C) http://www.asknumbers.com/OuncesToGramsConversion.aspx

I think you need to become more educated and do less guessing.

So I guess that proves the first part of your contention ABSOLUTELY wrong. Let's move on to the next parts..

You then said,

"Usually a 4 ounce chicken breast only has 130 calories (boneless and skinless, of course)."

OMG, no wonder you are OBESE! LOL

4 oz of lean (boneless and skinless of course) chicken has <phone> grams of protein! Check the conversion chart at:http://www.asknumbers.com/ OuncesToGramsConversion.aspx

You do seem to agree with me, there are 4 calories for each gram of Protein. So 4 calories x 113.4 g. = 453.6 CALORIES in a 1/4 pound of Chicken! Dude Seriously? You need glasses too if 130 calories is what you are reading on labels for 4 oz of chicken.

That conclusively proves that part of your statement ABSOLUTELY wrong. Sorry to have to embarrass you this way. But you deserve it for making such incorrect statements. Moving on. You next claimed...

"Also, 100 grams of chicken is equal to approximately 3.5 ounces of chicken."

That is actually RIGHT! Even a broke clock is right twice a day.

Now I am confused. IF, you know that 100 grams is equal to 3.5 oz. and that there are 4 calories per gram of Protein, then why did you not know that 100g(approximately 3.5 oz according this part of your post) x 4 calories = 400 Calories when you claim there are only 130 calories in 4 oz in the statement above this when 4 oz is MORE than 3.5 oz.??????????

Maybe your left brain is not talking to your right brain, or maybe you are MISSING half your brain and you are dangerous? (did you get that one? If you had half a brain you would be... Okay never mind).

You go on to state a correct fact...

"So if an apple has 25 grams of carbs, then the calories would be approx. 100 calories."

DING! DING! DING! Correct! And your point?

Which means that if you eat TWO (2) apples (or strawberry equivalent) a day (required by Simeons Diet) then you are getting about 200 calories in just those carbs (this does not include carbs from lemon juice and melba toast).

Add those 200 calories to the 800 calories you are getting from two servings of 3.5 oz of meat (in your own words that is 100 grams in 3.5 oz. and 100 grams x 2 servings a day x 4 calories = 800 calories) and you are eating AT LEAST 1000 calories a day --AND-- MY numbers are PERFECT!

TADA! the Higgins HCG Conjecture is proven again to be correct!

So boys and girls, here is the lesson for the day....

MathisFun needs to have less fun and do more serious studying before he/she posts and tries to look educated by correcting those who are correct.

Just as a reminder

1 oz = 28.35 grams
16 oz = 1 pound
1 pound = 453.6 grams
1000 grams = 1 Kilogram
1 Kg. = 2.2 Lbs.

So stay in school kids and now everyone knows that MathisFun is NOT smarter than a 5th grader! LOL

Yup sounds pompous and arrogant, but I hate stupidity that fosters myths and ignorance. It is ignorant people like MathisFun that confuse people that are truly looking to change their life and become healthy.

With each idiotic statement made such as that by MathisFun, more people lose out on learning the truth and progressing towards better accurate knowledge and better health. When it is so obviously easy to learn the truth as demonstrated by the posting of the various web sites that have the facts for all, including MathisFun, to use and learn for free.

Q.E.D.

JimmyHiggins

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4 years ago#29
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Although I like the Idea of 1000 calories instead of 500 calories, which by the way I have been doing on this round, I'm afraid you may be mistaken about grams of protein versus protein source. A gram of protein does indeed contain 4 calories but 100 grams of raw chicken breast contain 23.2 grams of protein 0 carbs and 1.3 grams of fat 107 calories and a lot of water that gets cooked out. An 8 ounce orange contains 2.1 gram of protein (who knew) 26.6 grams of carb and .3 grams of fat. And when I add up the protein source, fruit and around 5 ounces of a vegetable per meal, you do get around 500 calories.

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4 years ago#30
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Really.. I think you have to decide if this is pre or post "prepared" chicken. You are making an absolute statement about all species of chicken before and after all types of preparations under all types of conditions.

Some pre-cooked chicken has a lot of water, almost 60% - 70%, depending on how it is raised and butchered. Post prepared chicken can go from water rich to no water.

Many chicken ranchers will give their chickens different chemicals and steroids to make them 1) have more meat per lbs or 2) have more water in their body just before they are weighed for sale. Just adding a little more salt will make muscle and other tissues retain more water to maintain a hydrostatic membrane situation. And when the chicken weighs more, the chicken rancher gets more money per chicken, even if the water weight gain is only temporary. Yeah, people cheat to make more money.

However, right after the weighing and before the slaughtering, that water will flush and the chickens become dehydrated. But the rancher got more money!

Also pre cooked meats also have connective tissue and marbling of intramuscular fat as well, besides water in the tissue. Surprise, most chickens that are raised for slaughter get VERY little exercise just like KOBE beef. And the fat that you trim away is NOT the only fat in the tissue Post "prepared" chicken can still have all the intramuscular fat and will always have the connective tissue.

So if chicken is Broiled, Baked, Fired, Smoked, Dried, pulled, steamed, microwaved, desiccated, or turned into chicken jerky or powdered protein, your percentage of protein will vary from 99% - 40%. However, then you must also consider how much FAT and connective tissue is still around and the total calories involved for those components to determine the true amount of calories you get.

To be VERY technical, protein itself does not give you 4 calories. 25% of those calories (1 Calorie) is used in digesting the protein. So to be very technical you should really multiply protein by 3 calories as the true net number of calories you are eating when you eat any protein.

I wonder if MathisFun and guest are related in anyway?????

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